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Here you can discuss the following hand. Click link below to open hand replayer in pop-up window. Do you make a crying call here?
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This is another gross spot. Given the potsize money invested i probably fold. I cant see him raisng with a worse hand then yours. If the pot were bigger then its would be a crying call. I think he slowed a bigger flush or made a boat of some sort. I fold. But still gross.
It just makes no sense to me to pull off such a massive bluff only to win a small pot.
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this could actually be a good 'guess what villain had' hand
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I actually agree with the post above...looks like bigger flopped flush or a boat.
However, there is some scope for him to of been donk raising with two pair, an ace, complete air...I'm actually wondering after your previous comment whether he just had something like kq!
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pokertuber wrote:this could actually be a good 'guess what villain had' hand Def! But we are not allowed to guess anymore. We have to discuss hands deeply and sharp with solid poker analysis. Guessing hands is just nonsense and destroys the formerly immpressive hand section.
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This is the type of spot where, looking at it with no time pressure and the clarity of being an observer it looks like a fold, but in game I probably swear internally, call, then piss and moan about how unfair poker is.
If he's half decent he's never shoving there for value with a worse hand, though if he's a donk it's possible that he has a lone 5, like 54 kinda hand. On the other hand any hand that filled up on the river would surely have bet the flop, besides A5, which probably raises the turn. So it really looks like he flopped a bigger flush and slowplayed it to the river.
It's pretty hard to see what he could be bluffing with here as he can't even have the lone Ad as he has showdown value with 2 pair. I guess it's possible he has 2 face cards with a diamond, didn't want to get blown off his hand on the flop so checked back, flat called the turn assuming his draw is live, and shoved the river when he missed. But given your slight overbet on the river it's a fairly ballsy bluff with not much invested.
So yeah, at the time without any info on villain I probably call and hate myself while doing it. On a side note not a huge fan of flatting oop with 23s but meh.
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Joobs wrote:swear internally, call, then piss and moan about how unfair poker is Thats exactly what I did, since I had no real info. Looking back, it certainly looks like a fold, but in the heat of it, and with only 5 seconds in my time bank, i called. I don't mind the 23s flat since we are 200bb deep, but I guess it is questionable OOP. I guess I'll say what he had later tonight, keeping those results oriented comments at bay 
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pokertuber wrote:Joobs wrote:swear internally, call, then piss and moan about how unfair poker is Thats exactly what I did, since I had no real info. Looking back, it certainly looks like a fold, but in the heat of it, and with only 5 seconds in my time bank, i called. I don't mind the 23s flat since we are 200bb deep, but I guess it is questionable OOP. I guess I'll say what he had later tonight, keeping those results oriented comments at bay Nooooo...tell me now, i want to know if my kq off is on the money!
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People should really start including relevant information such as opponent's stats, general pre and postflop tendencies, and how the flow of the game is going if they want a useful discussion instead of a load of people going 'zomg totally fold'
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redhotpoker wrote:People should really start including relevant information such as opponent's stats, general pre and postflop tendencies, and how the flow of the game is going if they want a useful discussion instead of a load of people going 'zomg totally fold' I had no real info, otherwise I would provide it. I'd never played with him before and he had only just joined the table. So against a random player, do you muck here? Oh and sorry Papa, you will have to wait 
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Clearly a bluff catcher. Hard to say without any read and it's only a guessing. I wouldn't check behind any made hands like sets/two pair/straights/overpairs and draws on this flop against unk player if i were him, except for flopped flush obviously. Hard decision since you have blockers to possible hand he could play that way.
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Ok I'll reveal that he actually had, believe it or not, 2 black aces. Watch it back and it makes sense.
I actually think he played the hand really well, and I really think I coulda shoulda woulda found a fold there.
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pokertuber wrote:Ok I'll reveal that he actually had, believe it or not, 2 black aces. Watch it back and it makes sense.
I actually think he played the hand really well, and I really think I coulda shoulda woulda found a fold there. Lol before I decided to edit my post i thought about AA for a while. It just didn't match my assumption of betting it on the flop. Besides without any info 88/77 makes sense as well in this spot.
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