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Full Tilt MNP series 4 winner Cunego vs Annette Obrestad HU
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#1 Posted : 9/9/2010 10:33:47 PM(UTC)
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Full Tilt MNP series 4 winner Cunego vs Annette Obrestad HU

This is the Winner of Fill Tilt MNP series 4, Cunego playing Annette Obrestad HU for $1,000
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#2 Posted : 9/9/2010 10:45:36 PM(UTC)
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OB REH STAD .... hehehe Flapper Flapper

cheers for rrecording beear BigGrin

unlucky cunego Crying



LOL Donkaments !
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#3 Posted : 9/9/2010 10:55:08 PM(UTC)
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Lolz. Music a ments.
What is uuuuuuuuuuuuuppppp ?
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#4 Posted : 9/9/2010 11:14:31 PM(UTC)
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Watch the Rail Comments at the same time here
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#5 Posted : 9/9/2010 11:33:06 PM(UTC)
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1k heads match was it right....and the starting stack is 1.5k nlh/plo. Get your shit together with the structure here.....horrible match no room for play ...LOTTO LIFE...sorry that was a waste of a time for the players and the watchers...
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#6 Posted : 9/9/2010 11:38:42 PM(UTC)
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ede23 wrote:
1k heads match was it right....and the starting stack is 1.5k nlh/plo. Get your shit together with the structure here.....horrible match no room for play ...LOTTO LIFE...sorry that was a waste of a time for the players and the watchers...

agree, so small stacks.. dunno why it wasnt 3k as the 3 other matches.. bear.. bottom set was fav!
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#8 Posted : 9/9/2010 11:41:22 PM(UTC)
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i liked the commentary ...but beear ur way off with the srt anlysis cunegu was in front and had all rights to try to finishish her off...just unlucky he didnt fill up...to say its a major mistake its laughable...6 max a bottom set is indeed poo but in that case it was all standard...so beear get ur game sorted mate.
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#9 Posted : 9/9/2010 11:48:27 PM(UTC)
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Thanx for the video Beear.

Next time Cunego :)
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#7 Posted : 9/9/2010 11:54:42 PM(UTC)
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Cunego_D_NewAcc wrote:
ede23 wrote:
1k heads match was it right....and the starting stack is 1.5k nlh/plo. Get your shit together with the structure here.....horrible match no room for play ...LOTTO LIFE...sorry that was a waste of a time for the players and the watchers...

agree, so small stacks.. dunno why it wasnt 3k as the 3 other matches.. bear.. bottom set was fav!



i playd like a dozenz heads ups 22$+..the thing is that in particular cases u have to put ur chips in the middle if u want to end the match. With 3k chips u can fold a bottom set on that board rather easy but giving u stack and hers its for me impossible since the only hands ur WAY BEHIND are OVERSETS.(they are rare heads ups )

I do think u did very well and just witnessed the varience of a hu game shortstacked. I playd so many of them an the varience is a bit.Ch.
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#10 Posted : 9/10/2010 12:43:15 AM(UTC)
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@ Ede - Lol it is not standard to throw it in if your behind mate and thr ant anything wrong with my assesment of bottom set. You read any literature on PLO one of the hands that all Pro's advise extreme caution on is bottom set. HU ya I agree it's rough but that was a suppa draw heavy board and to think bottom set is good in that spot is questionable.

However, what makes Cunegos hand fascinating and no-one would have know it at the time as it was played way to fast, is the A and the K ! Because of the re-draws he had with the straight options and runner runner flush his hand was a slight fav on the flop 55%. However, if you change either the A or the K to say a 5 clubs to wreck the straight then Cunego is in trouble cos his opponentt is a 59% fav. What do you say to that Ede uh ur happy to go in with bottom set hoping to hit a FH as 41% dog ? Erm doubt you would put much money on that if you could see the cards before you bet lol!.........

Against a bigger set he is totally screwed as it would be 90/10. So yup i agree it was rough on Cunego considering the redraws he had to the traight but if you took them away and just looked at the bottom set and re-draws for the FH he wud be clearly behind a made straight and hence my comment that it was a mistake............Thr is no way I could envisage the extra draws to the straight at the time in question which basically change the whole hand.
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#12 Posted : 9/10/2010 1:09:25 AM(UTC)
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Fold equity, didnt get a fold, have to go with my hand, lost the flip.. Last time vs PA i won the flip..
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#11 Posted : 9/10/2010 1:13:56 AM(UTC)
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What do you say to that Ede uh ur happy to go in with bottom set hoping to hit a FH as 41% dog ? Erm doubt you would put much money on that if you could see the cards before you bet lol!.........

Well against a pro I don't mind having 41 percent. I know u'd rather outplay them, but.... ;)
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#13 Posted : 9/10/2010 1:25:13 AM(UTC)
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*grins* @ Randolph -

Erm mate PLO is a lot of the time a 60/40 game. Even when ur on that bad side of it its not often ur less than 40%. Only set over set, higher straight or higher flush are u in big trouble.......

That's why u get soo many crazy gamblers playing it cos no matter how bad they play the odds are not disasterous for them in comparison to NLH
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#14 Posted : 9/10/2010 12:21:46 PM(UTC)
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Bear, you really got it wrong there on your analysis of the big PLO hand.
Cunego doesn't have bottom set. He has bottom set, a gutshot to the nuts and a backdoor flush draw, which is a very different story.
It's still a gamble obviously, and he would be in bad shape against a higher set, but he is basically repping 89 himself, so maybe he can actually get a fold from a naked set of tens at least. Not a bad spot to semi-bluff imo.
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lepparaise
#16 Posted : 9/10/2010 4:22:35 PM(UTC)
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Hmm... Verry nice vid Bear! They are the best (together with connectorz)! Super entertaining!

I can understand how you did not see the nutstraight draw and the backdoor emdiatly. It is easy to forget the other cards... many nubs/ amatures do the same mistake. However I think it will benefit you if you start to open up for what other people are saying. You have to be brutely honest with your self if you want to progress in poker. Changing cunegos hand... taking away his draws to prove your point is yust wrong. He is not playing his hand with only to cards. Yust let your ego go and apologize to cunego. What do you think he thinks about your attitude??

Im saying this because I respect you and want you to succeed. So many times have you said cunegos play is bad (also the omaha hand against PA). Every time cunego has been in front.
Awesome video!
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#18 Posted : 9/10/2010 5:25:36 PM(UTC)
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Absolutely nothing wrong with the bottom set play no way is he putting her on a bigger set he knew she had the straight and gambled too fill up but it didn't come off. Still nothing wrong with that all. There is reason poker is called gambling and that's because that's exactly what it is and sometimes u need to gamble in big situations too win big games. He did gamble and was unlucky not too fill up. But was it a huge mistake ? heads up ? No not at all so sorry bear but your way wrong on that one. no doubts
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#17 Posted : 9/10/2010 5:39:57 PM(UTC)
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lepparaise wrote:
Hmm... Verry nice vid Bear! They are the best (together with connectorz)! Super entertaining!

I can understand how you did not see the nutstraight draw and the backdoor emdiatly. It is easy to forget the other cards... many nubs/ amatures do the same mistake. However I think it will benefit you if you start to open up for what other people are saying. You have to be brutely honest with your self if you want to progress in poker. Changing cunegos hand... taking away his draws to prove your point is yust wrong. He is not playing his hand with only to cards. Yust let your ego go and apologize to cunego. What do you think he thinks about your attitude??

Im saying this because I respect you and want you to succeed. So many times have you said cunegos play is bad (also the omaha hand against PA). Every time cunego has been in front.

thanks, but he got nothing to apologize for imo.. he was wrong and he called my play bad even tho it wasnt, but its nothing.. bears videos aint all about the poker, but more about the fun, drahma, and exciting coverage.. what i think about his attitude? well ive told him a bunch that it would be better if he chilled, reflected and not being stubbern :) but, i dont know anymore, i have thought more about it and im afraid it will ruin the bear we love so much as a commentator.. bear is all about the drahma!
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@ Leppa and Cunego - First off don't forget I wanted Cunego to win badly for the 'team'. Second off it an't about ego Leppa it's just the way I see it and my view on Omaha. I didn't spot all the extra draws at the time and like I said the speed of the hand being played a lot of people wud not have clocked all the extra outs from Cunego's hand............

I spent more time thinking about the hand and TBH I think it's an excellent hand to debate in such a wicked games as PLO so I class this as a postive discussion/debate. On reflection I can understand why Cunego jammed the pot on the flop. My personal preference would have been to smooth call the flop for fear my opponent does have the 89 and I'm getting it in either behind or only a marginal favourite at best. Now when that diamond comes giving Cunego even more outs cos of the 2nd Nut flush options the question to ask is there anyway he cannot call for the river ? I genuinely believe with that diamond on the turn he is screwed and has to call again to the river with all those outs. If Annette bets the full pot on the turn and obviously Cunego calls then she has 683 left to shuv on the river. Now on the river he misses and she shuvs and he knows she has 89 he can make a superb fold and save 683 chips. That wud have given him a 1417 stack after the hand and he is still in the game big time..........

Yes it looks passive and yes its not aggresive but on that draw heavy flop smooth calling the flop and then assessing the situation on the turn would have been my prefered choice. If he then shuvd it inon the turn with all those outs I would have said unlucky tbh. Jamming the flop as a marginal favorite like one of the posters said is gambling. In PLO I like to Jam the flop when I am a clear favorite and not coin flipping or.


I do agree it was unlucky and I take back my comment about it being a big mistake as I genuinely didn't assess all those extra outs from the straight and the runner runner flush..........
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#20 Posted : 9/11/2010 12:39:23 AM(UTC)
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That is a very good answer bear! Respect! IT IS ONLY ONE BEAR and I agree with cunego in what he is saying about you. I totaly see your point with the hand, and love the way you are presenting the arguments this time, but still I disagree with you. I will try to tell you why, but keep in mind that the discution is on a much higher level now, so I could be wrong. Therefor im looking forward to your answer again.

I love that you are trying to focus on the consept of lowering the variance as much as posible... This is very very very important in tournements imo. The value of not busting is essential. However... If you are playing against an oponent you think is bader then you this makes sence, but if you are up against a better player, variance is your friend (especially if you are short stacked and hu (and in omaha where taking the hand before showdown is lots of value). Then it is spotpicking and pushing cunego have been very successfull with. And again he is 56/44 up against a pro (remember the two big omaha pots against PA, we had the same discussion then I remember).

ok, lets try to step into cunegoes shoes. What would we put anette on, on the flop when the money goes in?
My list goes like this, correct it if you disagree.
Straight:80%
Overset:10%
Only draw:1%
Only to pairs:2%
Draw and two pairs:3%
Airbluff without draws:5%

With this numbers I think you have a golden oportunity to end it all. Could not have been played better imo! Would have been fun if rikard could have asked annette what she thinks about it in an interwiev. Maybe also PA?? I agree with you about the visdom you can gain with discussing hands like this. It is very interesting to see a game between such good players!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dax6w3RgDWA

Awesome video!
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