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DNG $50 - Deep run
theillegit
#1 Posted : 9/7/2010 8:58:32 AM(UTC)
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DNG $50 - Deep Run (2 of 4)
DNG $50 - Deep run (1 of 4)
DNG $50 - Deep Run (3 of 4)
DNG $50 Deep run (4 of 4)

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#2 Posted : 9/7/2010 12:14:36 PM(UTC)
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Good Run, good vid, questionable shove at the end but you were adding about 25% to your stack or something like that and you weren't gonna get many chances to open in late position so its not horrible.

nice one.
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#5 Posted : 9/7/2010 12:39:26 PM(UTC)
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You do know about random number generator, right? ... for an example, that AT vs AJ vs 33... if you would have called/re-shoved, you most probably wouldn't flop trips, since this isn't live poker. No pre-detemined deck. SO it was a good fold equity-wise. And that is all there is to it...
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Great vids again. Much appreciated.

Word of warning though, I noticed on your DNG 50 vid Part 1, that you brought up your cashier window on screen. Just be careful, giving people information like that is inviting trouble. I'm sure Pokertube has a reputable community but weirdos can pop up anywhere and that kinda stuff is best kept secret.
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Hey Illegit, could you tell me how to do the math on whether a shove is plus EV. E.G you said that shoving the 82 in SB was +EV even if called 100% of time. I'm not sure how to calculate this, so I would like you to help me if you would please :) Love the videos, really helping my game.
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nizel13 wrote:
Hey Illegit, could you tell me how to do the math on whether a shove is plus EV. E.G you said that shoving the 82 in SB was +EV even if called 100% of time. I'm not sure how to calculate this, so I would like you to help me if you would please :) Love the videos, really helping my game.

If the BB has few enough chips behind then it can be +Ev to get in any 2, even w/ negligible amount of FE, or sometimes 0 fe.

Say the BB has a 2 BB stack: 1 in the pot and 1 behind. And you know he's calling with any 2 cards. Just run, for instance 82 against a random hand through Pokerstove and you'll see that it has ~37% equity or so. So 0.37 * 4 BBs = 1.48 BBs. Shoving has an expectation of +1.5 BBs or so, while folding has an expectation of -0.5 BBs. This is oversimplified, but for illustration I think it's helpful. For a more thorough, better explanation check out some poker literature on the subject.
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#9 Posted : 9/7/2010 3:24:05 PM(UTC)
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WEEEE nice run and thanks for the shoutout. Double thanks for actually getting my last name right and not assuming it is Stuart like most people do hehe :D

Keep em coming :)
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Great watch as usual , looking forward to some WCOOP vids
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+1
Something about late position raises.
You said, you have to open A2 in the CO (esp. with bb sitting out, obv.).
I think, you have to open any2 there if there isn't going on a lot of restealing and flatting.
Same with QJ earlier, also in the CO. The three guys to your left had about the same stack as you had, it was unlikely they would flat with less than 20bb or so. So your hand doesn't matter at all if it is one you don't want to call the re-shove with.

So in late position and either quite big stacks or nitty smallstacks to your left, there are only two categories of raising hands:
1. big hands you are calling the shoves with
2. any two cards
(if there isn't going on a lot of restealing and flatting, obv.)
Of course, there are hands that put you in tricky spots, like some middle-strong Aces and 66-77 type of hands, but most hands fall into category 1 or 2.
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connectorz wrote:
Good Run, good vid, questionable shove at the end but you were adding about 25% to your stack or something like that and you weren't gonna get many chances to open in late position so its not horrible.

nice one.


lol
ghetthoe
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Finaly a decent/good player who records an post on poker tube ^^ nice job and thanks alot. Finaly i might have more reasons to log on that to se the american shows =)

Put up some of your wscoop mtt´s too! (i almost pay you lol) haha

CG
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Finaly a decent/good player who records an post on poker tube ^^ nice job and thanks alot. Finaly i might have more reasons to log on that to se the american shows =)

Put up some of your wscoop mtt´s too! (i almost pay you lol) haha

CG
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#12 Posted : 9/8/2010 2:11:33 AM(UTC)
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karpov42 wrote:
+1
Something about late position raises.
You said, you have to open A2 in the CO (esp. with bb sitting out, obv.).
I think, you have to open any2 there if there isn't going on a lot of restealing and flatting.
Same with QJ earlier, also in the CO. The three guys to your left had about the same stack as you had, it was unlikely they would flat with less than 20bb or so. So your hand doesn't matter at all if it is one you don't want to call the re-shove with.

So in late position and either quite big stacks or nitty smallstacks to your left, there are only two categories of raising hands:
1. big hands you are calling the shoves with
2. any two cards
(if there isn't going on a lot of restealing and flatting, obv.)
Of course, there are hands that put you in tricky spots, like some middle-strong Aces and 66-77 type of hands, but most hands fall into category 1 or 2.

The is mostly correct, however if your raise CO % is 100, your opponents will start to adjust. So opening top X% of hands rather than any 2 is a way of keeping your opening range in check, even though in practice A2 will play no differently than 72--either you steal or you don't.
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ghetthoe wrote:
connectorz wrote:
Good Run, good vid, questionable shove at the end but you were adding about 25% to your stack or something like that and you weren't gonna get many chances to open in late position so its not horrible.

nice one.


lol


sorry what is lol about this?
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