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DAMNIT WHY DID I HAVE TO GO TO BED AND MISS THIS

Have only had time to watch part 1 but already think that this is the best thing ever.

on the river with A9 vs AQ at like 46mins or w/e i totally disagree that if you bet river you have to call off. you talk about being priced in but against the range he has and the fact that he's NEVER bluffing (since we established he's a decent player) you just can't call. like you would be getting a pretty sick price but if you gave me 8:1 on bet calling there i still dont even think your good 1/9 times. point is, when you bet river and he jams he always has you beat.

also with the 33 when you guys were complaining about his lack of shoving over the limp, i mean aside from the fact of his reasoning of 'i just didnt fancy it' being ludicrous, i actually don't dislike a fold, providing you rationalise it. ive had some decent talks with my coaches about stuff like this, i used to stick in all sorts of shit over limps, now i'm relatively tight. point being a limp calling off range does have you beat alot, and he's limp calling alot, plus the fact you're not exactly in the BB (in which case i do think you have to jam) you have like 6 people left to act. honestly...i think 33 is a fold there. the top of a UTG limping range is something like 88, AT and KQ. they do limp all sorts of other crap sometimes, but unless youve established that he's an exceptionally wide limper im folding the 3's there. i dont know the guys VPIP so im kinda talking about a complete unknown, obviously if he's 40/5 then you have to put it in but when i shove i wanna have equity vs his limp calling range, not just his limping range. so im probably something more along the lines of A7+ KJ+ 66+ cuz then you actually have potential to have alot of his limp calling hands dominated. i.e. he's often limp calling any ace (that he limped with) any pair and any broadways, probablyt stuff like K9o too. anyway this is kinda a long winded babble that i couldve made shorter but end point being i think folding 33 there is reasonable

its sick that i agree with some of bears points in the hand. i.e. tom says 'a UTG limp is never strong' thats kinda bullshit, but the point is the limp doesnt even have to be strong, 55 is super strong there vs 33 and if you think he's folding 55 there then you have more faith than me. 'strong' is a relative term and tom did not apply it correctly there

i agree totally that its profitable. i just dont know if its necissary, i really couldnt tell you if i do it in game, i know i do if im in the cutoff but he was like MP1 or something, its just sick variance trying to get through everyone else then getting called like ~30%+ of the time by original limper. my point was despite bears pathetic reasoning i definately think its a defensible play to fold.

like i said "i actually don't dislike a fold, providing you rationalise it" and i think it can be rationalised. that's all. i'm never gonna question anyone for sticking it in though apparently i would now lmao, i mean it's prob +EV and you should probably take the spots but its def a defensible fold

Yea i agree that people limp fold all day but he still has the whole table to get through. Are you open shoving 33 utg+1 w 13bbs ?
I think if i am in MP to LP i jam 33 over this limp esp if hes shown he can limp fold before but im not a fan of shoving it utg+1
I think it's pretty close im def shoving 66 and prob 55

Thanks for these videos guys, your analysis really improves my game.
Oh and congrats to Bear on the big win :))

Fitzy it was like 2 am when we were discussing this stuff I'm shattered and I don't have the energy or full brain power to dicuss all these hands well. I agreed to have a bash with the guys simple as that. In the end I had to quit I was sooo tired. I have a full time job which is extremely demanding. I have a family with all the responsibility that entails cut us some slack will ya !!! What do you do ? Well we know you can sleep whenver you want, rest, study etc. You have no idea how tired I am when I'm on the PC sometimes so get a reality check will ya.

I'm my opinion 33 shuv thr is just such a gamble when you don't have to do it. I have a shed load of people to go after me as well and even if i get through all of them there is a decent chance this guy cud call off - At best its a flip for me - At this stage that's a gamble i believe is not worth taking. I can seriously debate a lot of these hand very well if im awake and rested but i wasn't.

I seriously do not like ur perpetual insulting terminology like ' despite bears pathetic reasoning' and 'its sick that i agree with some of bears points in the hand' you then come back with 'after having another significant discussion with my coach' - I mean what are u on ??? Do you have any manners ? Do you speak to people face to face like that or is it the saftey of you PC that makes you so rude and arogant ? Diplomacy is so not in your repetoire. Since you came back from Nottingham you have strutted around like some arogant peacock throwing many insults at various people and a fair lot at me to !

Enough is enough Fitzy - make constructive coments without being insulting or don't make any at all. Your behaviour is unbecoming and it really is not appreciated. CONSTRUCTIVE without being RUDE is not unfair to ask..............

Thank you

'Bear'

i defended your play tbh. but i apologise for saying your reasoning was pathetic. you could have rationalised it better, that's all but i shouldnt have used the term pathetic. so, sorry, genuinely, there was no need for me to say that

bear, i want to be disrespectful. i think you geniually is a bad poker player!

cool vid btw, only in 10 mins of part 2, great so far as allways

;( i didnt have anything meaningful to say anyway