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Doesnt this remind you all of another hand with JJ vs early pos. 5x raise? Look at this everyone saying one should 3bet JJ there. To make the pot HU - failed. Because were likely up against AK - false. To control the size of the pot - success if you wanted the size to be 60BB on the flop. To see where your at - weee thats what happened and it only took 19BB to do so! And that cheaply only because of the ridiculous 4bet with KK.

I had the button for AQs. Shoulda known better

Yeah this seems to be an interesting pattern with regards to hand posts on PokerTube, people love to 3bet JJ! This is not me saying that we shouldn't ever be 3betting JJ, there are times when it is an obvious 3bet, but that often is relying on how deep we are, what we think of the opponent, and positions. 140bb deep, vs and EP raiser who we most likely know very little about, who is 5xing is certainly not the time to be whipping out a really small 3bet with JJ!

The sizing of the 3bet actually is something that really confused me. You've just click raised here. He is folding exactly 0% of what he is opening in this spot like this, and he will 4bet a decent % of it too, which I would like to hope you are folding to... but you didnt, because this is not a pure setmine in a really bloated pot. Its really spewy. I can't remember the name of the post where the huge 'to 3bet or not 3bet JJ' debate took place, it was almost a carbon copy of this. One of the main arguments (which I thought was kinda spewy too) was the 'raise for information' deal, but the click 3bet doesn't even do that! Its just kinda pot juicing.

So yeah, not a great 3bet size, and actually not a good spot to 3bet at all.

As for postflop, I mean, its just a really standard fold. You are 4bet in the first level on the MTT, and the guy puts out a cbet on a scary board in a multiway pot. It should have been a 350 chip pot pre, but because of how you played it, its now a 1170 pot, three times the size, and you are just set mining in this spot.

Really messy hand mate :(

I only called the 4 bet due to immediate implied odds , the hand does look messy but I think on the 10 high flop I'd be re-raising to get him off AK / AQ so probably paid a similar price.

Just thought I'd try a different line normally is just a standard flat here for me early on.

Speaking of jacks just got knocked out shoving them for 15BB in ace 8 off what else

Now you made DanShot look stupid :D As for post flop, lets assume you flat called and the 78o guy wouldnt exist. First thing to hope for is a set, but the 2nd best is having an overpair and this happens around 50%. Lets say the flop is 589 and he bets 180 to 250. Do not raise here, you will just get those 2 hands to fold OR he puts you to a spot where the best play is to fold = not desirable.

What you want here is to get to the showdown cheaply and allow villain to keep bluffing. Yes, the turn might be an ace, leaving you with the feeling that you left him catch up but shake it off, the correct thing to do is play well. The funny thing is that besides a J, you should be very happy to see a 6,7,8,9,T fall on the turn because this will almost never help his hand, but those cards makes our villain slow down. After all, the board pretty rarely develops in a way that an overpair, even kings, will be able to bet three streets for value.

really curious as to what you mean by polarized.

Also I like the three bet but hate the amount. The idea is that this hand is a three bet fold. Being that you should no be pricing yourself to call a four bet. Make it 259 and fold to four bet. Easy game.

Hmm, im probs just echoing alot of what has already been said in this thread but here goes. With the guy 5xing it im more inclined to be flatting with jj in this spot just because its very easy for the pot spew out of control if i 3bet. I don't hate 3 betting this early because you are getting a ton of value of hands that flat your 3 bet as they are unlikely to flat kk/aa so if they call can assume we are way ahead of his range (he may flat qq) and we are also isolating the pot which is pretty decnt with a hand like jj as its not likely to play that great multiway. As said 3b size is abit on the small side, I would go maybe 280ish if I was going to 3b. I think he can comfortably flat with a ton of worse hands and it's actually a really nice position to be in postflop supposing he flats since we are the preflop aggressor with a hand that is almost certainly better than his. The problem is we are opening up the betting with as big as it may seem, a marginal hand and its just making life difficult for ourselves when faced with a 4bet. I think the 2 good plays might be 3bet then fold to 4 bet or just flat pre. When he mins u back in this spot though I think I'd call as his 4bet is so pathetic but hypathetically say he made a real 4b id fold. Apart from that, nice fold on the flop!! :)