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Patrik Antonius thinks your getting an unfair advantage and that its ruining the game,i just happen to agree with him,what do you think?

I think for it to be an 'unfair advantage' it would have to be a situation where I was getting access to something that another player could not have access to. Anyone can use sharkscope or OPR, the same way that anyone can use HEM or PT3. It is people's prerogative whether to use them or not, however my right to use them should not be affected by others choice not to use them.

If I were explaining it to a child, I would use the analogy of a man not looking at his cards whilst playing poker. Just because he chooses not to do it, it doesn't render my actions of looking at my cards as cheating. He's just an idiot for not looking at his cards.

If people choose not to use a HUD they are denying themselves that information, it is not others denying them that information.

Yeh and what about the cheats that are cheating you and reasoning well you know what im getting away it so i might as well keep doing it.Live by skewed logic and you will suffer as a result.Good luck with that.

Yeah you missed a whole bunch actually.try reading it all again or maybe try phoning a friend for help if you think it might help.

def looks like you are suffering as a result here buddy

Ok boys and girls. I will just try to find some kind of end to this discussion. Right now I am writing a very long article on Patrik Antonius which will be published in the Swedish Poker Magazine and then translated into other languages for publication in other countries.

In the article Patrik talked a lot about the software available today that he, along with many other pros, thought might lead to problems in the online poker. Since he doesn't know much about them, he has been told by friends with better insight that there are so much info today, and even stronger software is under development, where a player can get endless info on his/her opponents through these products. That would in the end mean that no skill or sense is needed - you just need to follow the information handed to you by the software. It would be a little bit like playing backgammon against a world class computer. Sure you will win sometimes due to luck, but in the long run you have no chance since your opponent will make zero percent mistakes. That is something that will not benefit the casual player or the pro player who likes to play with the skills and tactics earned through many hours of playing. This is of course something that Patrik understands is very hard to put a stop to, and just trying to ban them is not even the right way to go. He suggested that perhaps it would be interesting to have a site, or specific tables on already existing sites, where you can play anonymously, i.e. your name is Seat 3 instead of Patrik Antonius, for example.

Anyway, matters like this, and many other interesting subjects seems to "disappear" sometimes in the poker community. It might be discussed in forums and so on, but to get something going, it could be a good idea to have a group of people who would not be biased due to commitment to a site or some other poker related company. Patrik mentioned a group of names, maybe seven or eight names who's opinion he respects that would be good to have in such a group, but finally he said that perhaps the best would be if the group consisted of two names only, Barry Greenstein and Rikard from PokerTube (haha).

Now, when I brought this up with Barry during our very long conversation, the original subject to it all - creating a group like that - Barry had some thoughts on the software, nothing really big, and also said that he didn't think he would be a good name for that group, something like that anyway. The first reaction in this thread, by ZEDZOR was pretty much out of line in my opinion, saying "shame on you Barry" and stuff like that. Barry came back with a response trying to answer that post, which I am sure all of us appreciated. We should try to keep this forum free from throwing x@€x@ back and forth in a not so creative way. Still it is always fun with a bit of action in our forum.

I will bring it up with Barry in our next interview to clear things out a bit. Until then, we might not get that much further with this issue.
All the best.
Rikard