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Taking on the table bully

so why are you posting this ?

btw its -ev to call with 22s on the bubble.

you are a hero to us all sir

Thank you all for ur colour full feedback

I dont play holdem s&g much but he just shoved with everything and I decided to go with my read.

obviously it was a coin flip (TT vs JK is the same). Hell if I gonna play scared againt a player who shoves with air. Ocourse its easy to fold 22, thats the point.

LMFAO, I won the damn match anyway.

Why not?

Your read was right. The damn donkey shoved with JTo and you put your tournament life on the line with 22. Now the only thing you have to do is win a flip EZ game

Chillyman there's a difference between playing scared and playing mathematically correct. Saying you were pretty confident he didn't have a pair is just silly, how could you possibly be so sure? Ok it's not a large part of his range but you can't just dismiss it. SnGs are one form of poker where caring about the money jumps instead of just 1st place is justifiable because the payout structure is so shallow. Just to prove it I'll do the maths. This all assumes equal skill obviously but any edge is going to be somewhat negligible given stack/blind ratio.

When you fold:

CO stack: 2790
Button stack: 3164
SB stack: 4788
Your stack: 2758

You come 1st: 2758/13500 = 0.204

CO comes 1st: 2790/13500 = 0.207

You come 2nd: 2758/(13500-2790) = 0.258

Button comes 1st: 3164/13500 = 0.234

You come 2nd: 2758/(13500-3164) = 0.267

SB comes 1st: 4788/13500 = 0.355

You come 2nd: 2758/(13500-4788) = 0.317

You come 2nd total: 0.207*0.258 + 0.234*0.267 + 0.355*0.317 = 0.228

And so on. Not gonna show the calcs for when you come 3rd as it takes up far too much room for, what you can probably guess already, is a similar number (as all the stacks are fairly even).

You come 3rd: 0.259

So, assuming a standard 50/30/20 payout structure for a 9 man SnG this gives you, when you fold, a total average equity of:

0.204*0.5 + 0.228*0.3 + 0.259*0.2 = 0.222

When you win the stacks are

CO stack: 2790
Button stack: 3174
SB stack: 1530
Your stack: 6016

Repeating the calcs with these stack sizes gives you an equity of 0.352

Obviously when you lose you have an equity of 0.0.

When the sb shoves literally any 2 you have a total equity of 50.3% against his range (you can argue this could sway either way because he probably raise/calls the top of his range, but then he probably just mucks the very bottom of his range - either way it doesn't change the overall outcome much).

So your total average equity if you call is:

0.503*0.352 + 0.497*0.0 = 0.177 < 0.222

So by a considerable margin it's a fold.

Um Joobs, based on Chillyman's posts and comments you probably lost him at "Chillyman"