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Here you can discuss the following hand. Click link below to open hand replayer in pop-up window. tough spot
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Opponent its an standard station type player with a kinda weird high bet flop percentage..
my prebet is always bigger from the small blind and in those 0.25 games i always bet little bigger...comments like in a 0.25$ icall this all day are not welcome...something seems wrong with the hh did not include my decision...
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nice to see the guy - who tells other guys playing $215 tournaments to stop playing poker - plays 25c tourneys.
as for the hand, aces are foldable here. rule out all draws (cause there are none), you are left with a bunch of Qx holdings and maybe midpairs 55-JJ. the second queen may have convinced him that his pocket pair is good, people in these type of tournaments tend to think like that. in my humble opinion, him having a queen is still more likely.
that being said, i still call. yes, because it is a 25c tourney and people do uncalculable shit. you're welcome.
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Well... When you see an over bet like this you usually think that the guy is polarized between nuts or nothing, and for a bad player you should tend to think that he has the "nuts" (aka Qx) much more often than nothing, because there would be no reason to over bet if all you want to do is to buy the pot. However, what makes this tricky is that we can't dismiss the possibility that he's "protecting" a smaller pocket pair.
Weighing the pros and cons I think I would save my 40 BB stack for a better spot. You have to win your bet more than about 40% of the time, and I don't see fish making all in bluffs or over playing pocket pairs like this so often that I think those are good enough odds.
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Originally Posted by: slevin_bs nice to see the guy - who tells other guys playing $215 tournaments to stop playing poker - plays 25c tourneys.
i saw that coming...i dont play 25 centers regulary just for today as i try to build rep. on a staking site...."guys playing 215$ tournamnts" are you fucking kidding me..he most like satelite in and should never have playd it(most likely it would exceed his biggest win if he woulda cashed in the ticket) ...he is a loser on micro and mid stakes an i bet he only breaks even if he would play 25centers...please stop posting bullcrap For the hand discussian: i think its like 50 50 ; he has the q or not...its areally tough one and i took ages for my decision...for me doesnt matter if its a 0.25 or 10$ tourney i take it seriously anyway...only because its 25 cents sng i dont just say who cares and calloffmystack completely crushed.
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Originally Posted by: BixBax Well... When you see an over bet like this you usually think that the guy is polarized between nuts or nothing, and for a bad player you should tend to think that he has the "nuts" (aka Qx) much more often than nothing, because there would be no reason to over bet if all you want to do is to buy the pot. However, what makes this tricky is that we can't dismiss the possibility that he's "protecting" a smaller pocket pair.
Weighing the pros and cons I think I would save my 40 BB stack for a better spot. You have to win your bet more than about 40% of the time, and I don't see fish making all in bluffs or over playing pocket pairs like this so often that I think those are good enough odds. i play micros all the time, usually 5nl. I see a shove alot in a spot like this, usually they wouldnt have a Q. If they did they probably wouldnt shove(paired boards in micros almost always get action). Im usually guessing they have a pocket pair here, maybe a fldraw so my standard would be call. Im seeeing fish do this all day everyday with JJ or lower(he wouldve probably 4bet pre w/ KK). At the same time i wouldve probably bet the turn then based my decision depending on many factors if he shoved over your bet. Also to hero, bet the flop bigger.
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Originally Posted by: dking111 I see a shove alot in a spot like this, usually they wouldnt have a Q. +1 The hand is very well played if you call now Bear is gospel
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Originally Posted by: dking111 Originally Posted by: BixBax Well... When you see an over bet like this you usually think that the guy is polarized between nuts or nothing, and for a bad player you should tend to think that he has the "nuts" (aka Qx) much more often than nothing, because there would be no reason to over bet if all you want to do is to buy the pot. However, what makes this tricky is that we can't dismiss the possibility that he's "protecting" a smaller pocket pair.
Weighing the pros and cons I think I would save my 40 BB stack for a better spot. You have to win your bet more than about 40% of the time, and I don't see fish making all in bluffs or over playing pocket pairs like this so often that I think those are good enough odds. i play micros all the time, usually 5nl. I see a shove alot in a spot like this, usually they wouldnt have a Q. If they did they probably wouldnt shove(paired boards in micros almost always get action). Im usually guessing they have a pocket pair here, maybe a fldraw so my standard would be call. Im seeeing fish do this all day everyday with JJ or lower(he wouldve probably 4bet pre w/ KK). At the same time i wouldve probably bet the turn then based my decision depending on many factors if he shoved over your bet. Also to hero, bet the flop bigger. Thanks for this useful comment. I am a very unexperienced player at these stakes and i was really shaking my head about that hand. I feel like sometimes those guys are just so gready that they want to get thew absolute maximum out of their hand with some redonkoulous overbet shoves. On the other side i have also see them do this with middle pairs. So i think its really a gamble to call off here since opponoents are very unpredictable to say the least.
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I think I would snap call here. Personally I would be really surprised if he showed up with a Q here....Think he almost always has a medium pair or something like A5 which he is trying to protect. If he had a Q why would he try to get all his money in OTT, while he has position and can also bet the river? What is he trying to get called by that he beats? Quote: Originally Posted by: slevin_bs Go to Quoted Post
nice to see the guy - who tells other guys playing $215 tournaments to stop playing poker - plays 25c tourneys.
i saw that coming...i dont play 25 centers regulary just for today as i try to build rep. on a staking site...."guys playing 215$ tournamnts" are you fucking kidding me..he most like satelite in and should never have playd it(most likely it would exceed his biggest win if he woulda cashed in the ticket) ...he is a loser on micro and mid stakes an i bet he only breaks even if he would play 25centers...please stop posting bullcrap As for this, sorry to inform you you are wrong. I'm not gonna advertise myself here, but like some pokertubers might know, my largest score to date is $8,5k. I've not been doing to well on pokerstars, but on that one site you might remember, FTP, I was doing all right as well....(DonaldRB) Just setting some things straight, no hard feelings and I enjoyed commenting on your hand.
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As for this, sorry to inform you you are wrong. I'm not gonna advertise myself here, but like some pokertubers might know, my largest score to date is $8,5k. I've not been doing to well on pokerstars, but on that one site you might remember, FTP, I was doing all right as well....(DonaldRB) Just setting some things straight, no hard feelings and I enjoyed commenting on your hand. [/quote]
Just a question on that $8.5k cash. Is it ok to have two accounts on stars?
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Originally Posted by: DonaldRB I think I would snap call here. Personally I would be really surprised if he showed up with a Q here.... I played quite a few of these and i can surely say it is always a surprise when they turn their cards over. DonaldRB wrote:
What is he trying to get called by that he beats?
The average player in a 25c-tournament doesn't ask himself that question. I probably snap here. "They" can do that with a turned flush draw ("they" are calling anytime for bd flushdraws, esp. if the c-bet is so small). Wouldn't be too surprised if he is turning over J-4 of hearts. But i also don't mind a fold. Depends on my info about how he is usually playing top pair. Btw. i am betting the turn adl in these tourns.
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Quote: Just a question on that $8.5k cash. Is it ok to have two accounts on stars? no that's not allowed. I only have 1 account, DonaldRB, that's my only account there and I haven't really had a lot of succes on Stars. The other account does not belong to me :P Quote: I played quite a few of these and i can surely say it is always a surprise when they turn their cards over. Quote: The average player in a 25c-tournament doesn't ask himself that question. yea that's true, you never know how or what he's thinking so it might just come down to how logical the player is playing. Would you personally call here, given your experience?
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Originally Posted by: DonaldRB [quote] Just a question on that $8.5k cash. Is it ok to have two accounts on stars? no that's not allowed. I only have 1 account, DonaldRB, that's my only account there and I haven't really had a lot of succes on Stars. The other account does not belong to me :P So its ok to play on another persons account?
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Originally Posted by: DonaldRB Quote: Just a question on that $8.5k cash. Is it ok to have two accounts on stars? no that's not allowed. I only have 1 account, DonaldRB, that's my only account there and I haven't really had a lot of succes on Stars. The other account does not belong to me :P Quote: I played quite a few of these and i can surely say it is always a surprise when they turn their cards over. Quote: The average player in a 25c-tournament doesn't ask himself that question. yea that's true, you never know how or what he's thinking so it might just come down to how logical the player is playing. Would you personally call here, given your experience? As i said, it depends on how he usually is playing top pair. Most of the time i m snapping, just because i won't one-table 25cent-tourns and thus won't have much of a read on opponents yet (at blindlevel 4).
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if i was you i'd nit put that kind of information out her eon public forums...
Just my two cents.
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Originally Posted by: Cinarocket if i was you i'd nit put that kind of information out her eon public forums...
Just my two cents. good one, just don't wanna be rude and not answer it lol Anyways, Solidpoos, what was your final decision?
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