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Definitely lol... you shouldn't even be seeing a river
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Yea definite fold.
C-betting the flop would have given you a clearer picture of where you stood in hand.
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the way i see it you only beat A8 or AJ(i think AK & AQ re-raise pre). he can have any set but KK here, A10 & QJ are entirely possible and whatever he has he seems to think it's good so i think you made the right decision.
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Originally Posted by: FuzzzyLion Yea definite fold.
C-betting the flop would have given you a clearer picture of where you stood in hand. If you c-bet this board multiway with ace high you c-bet way too much.
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The way the big blind raised turn,to me it looks like he was going to check raise flop had someone bet it.However no one did.
hypothetically If player makes c-bet and gets check raised on flop hes out cheaper than calling the turn raise.If he gets calledon the flop after c betting-the BB obv has a piece of the flop so makes whole hand easier.
If BB leads out turn its an easy fold-lost less than way he played it.If he checks it then dead equity checks behind and evaluates river.Obvious folding to bet.
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What makes no sense to me and puts in the picture a potential bluff. If the opponent has QJ or a set why does he check the river , giving the A9 a chance to check down two pair which he entirely should have done. In my opinion he could of been bullying your weak river bet that might of had me calling. But you probably shouldnt have been calling the turn bet.
"Yea definite fold.
C-betting the flop would have given you a clearer picture of where you stood in hand."
Thats a ridiculous statement.
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Originally Posted by: FuzzzyLion
Yea definite fold.
C-betting the flop would have given you a clearer picture of where you stood in hand.
I am never c betting that flop 4 handed... when u c bet u have to have some fold equity, im not sure u ever get folds from their calling ranges tbh, so its just spewing chips. It's easy to say in this particular hand when seeing the turn and river action that if he had c bet the flop it could have cost him less once u have already seen the action! although in this case i think he could find a fold on the turn also.
To be fair when Lucas raises the turn its pretty much a lead out after the SB min bet but even still u have got to give him a pretty strong range... A10, A8, AJ, K10, 88, QJ which beat u, and then its possible he can also have a bunch of A rag hands which u beat, especially Ax clubs, which still have decent re draws tho... maybe...J/Q 9 clubs possibly... I would weight his range more to the hands that beat A9 and probably muck it. But having called, when he checks the river I cant blame u for value betting, looks like u can get good value out of Ax check calling, but its a definite fold to the check raise.
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Course it is-whisky.
By not c-betting he may as well just give up the hand.Because of not defining the hands by c betting he has no idea whatsoever where he is in the hand and as a result thats why we are here now.Having no idea where in the hand he was.Shoudnt be in the hand by the river to be faced with difficult question but....
You check the river to get missed draws to bet.Theres a missed flush, he could have had some straight draw in the vilains eyes so by checking the river he gives Dead equity chance to bluff to win the pot.Obviously dead equity had showdown value with two pair so would/should have checked behind but he didnt.
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Originally Posted by: mattp4 Originally Posted by: FuzzzyLion
Yea definite fold.
C-betting the flop would have given you a clearer picture of where you stood in hand.
I am never c betting that flop 4 handed... when u c bet u have to have some fold equity, im not sure u ever get folds from their calling ranges tbh, so its just spewing chips. It's easy to say in this particular hand when seeing the turn and river action that if he had c bet the flop it could have cost him less once u have already seen the action! although in this case i think he could find a fold on the turn also.
To be fair when Lucas raises the turn its pretty much a lead out after the SB min bet but even still u have got to give him a pretty strong range... A10, A8, AJ, K10, 88, QJ which beat u, and then its possible he can also have a bunch of A rag hands which u beat, especially Ax clubs, which still have decent re draws tho... maybe...J/Q 9 clubs possibly... I would weight his range more to the hands that beat A9 and probably muck it. But having called, when he checks the river I cant blame u for value betting, looks like u can get good value out of Ax check calling, but its a definite fold to the check raise. C-Betting spewing chips-fair point but he's spewed more by calling the turn raise than he ever would c betting the flop.
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Originally Posted by: FuzzzyLion Course it is-whisky.
By not c-betting he may as well just give up the hand.Because of not defining the hands by c betting he has no idea whatsoever where he is in the hand and as a result thats why we are here now.Having no idea where in the hand he was.Shoudnt be in the hand by the river to be faced with difficult question but....
You check the river to get missed draws to bet.Theres a missed flush, he could have had some straight draw in the vilains eyes so by checking the river he gives Dead equity chance to bluff to win the pot.Obviously dead equity had showdown value with two pair so would/should have checked behind but he didnt. It is a fair point about him having a better idea about where he stands by c-betting. I'm just saying betting into multiple opponents with air doesnt seem the right play. Then even with the c-bet A-10 is well in his range for calling a C-bet. then with the Ace our guys gonna feel obliged to continue to bet the turn then almost certainly the river to a third check and a rivered two pair. I dunno , I lose my bankroll at least once a week :)
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Yeah the "C-betting the flop" comment is just ridiculous, as played I think it´s probably a fold but I´m really surprised that in all these comments not one person has suggested checking behind on the river! That´s what I´d do a lot of the time at least, there aren´t many hands that are going to pay off (posssibly A8) and you open yourself up to this^^move and have no idea where you stand...
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Originally Posted by: DNtony Yeah the "C-betting the flop" comment is just ridiculous, as played I think it´s probably a fold but I´m really surprised that in all these comments not one person has suggested checking behind on the river! That´s what I´d do a lot of the time at least, there aren´t many hands that are going to pay off (posssibly A8) and you open yourself up to this^^move and have no idea where you stand... I said he should have in my first post :)  !
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